Distressed Securities
July 7, 2009
Martin J. Whitman is the founder, Co-Chief Investment Officer, and Portfolio Manager of the Third Avenue Value Fund. He is a veteran value investor with a long, distinguished history as a control investor. His book, Distress Investing: Principles and Technique, which he co-authored with Syracuse University professor Fernando Diz, is available through the link above. We spoke with Mr. Whitman on June 29, 2009.
As a distressed investor, what is different about investing during the current financial crisis?
I had never seen pricing as attractive as we saw last fall and this winter for performing loans – the type of distressed asset we prefer. We acquired debt with an 80% to 95% probability of yielding 25% or more to maturity or to an event [e.g., the bond being called]. In the 5% to 20% chance that we were wrong, and there would be a money default, we would still be okay in a reorganization. Pricing like that was never available before.
Another big change occurred in recent years in small bankruptcy cases – those less than $300 million – where administrative expenses became so large that companies were forced to do a prepackaged bankruptcy or its equivalent. In the old days, much could be done through a conventional Chapter 11 even for smaller enterprises.
For companies in reorganization, whether in court or out of court, it has never been more expensive. Companies are getting ripped off by professionals – lawyers and financial advisors – and by management like never before. For distressed investors like us, this environment has created great opportunities to make capital infusions directly into poorly financed businesses. We are very active in this area right now.
You say that distress investing appeals because it involves analyzing the contractual and legal aspects of an opportunity, rather than macroeconomic factors. Is this still true in the current environment?
We really haven’t had to do much on the macroeconomic front. If you are an adequately secured creditor, the general economic environment doesn’t figure in too much. Macroeconomics becomes more important as you go down the capital structure. It is crucial in most common stock investing.
The macroeconomic environment is the worst I have seen in my adult lifetime, which is why we have tended to invest in more senior securities than would otherwise be the case.
At the end of last year you said you saw a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy companies that meet your investing criteria. Is that still true today?
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